Hosted by Jeff Walter, Founder and CEO of LatitudeLearning
In this compelling episode of the Training Impact Podcast, Jeff Walter sits down with Steven King of Immersivevision Technology to explore how immersive 3D visualization is transforming medical education and clinical training. What begins as a discussion about imaging innovation quickly evolves into a broader conversation about pedagogy, engagement, adoption barriers, and the role of scalable training systems in high-stakes environments.
At its core, Immersivevision Technology converts traditional 2D medical scans such as CT and MRI images into fully interactive 3D models that can be explored, rotated, and examined in real time. Instead of interpreting flat grayscale slices on a screen, learners and physicians can engage with anatomically accurate digital reconstructions that significantly improve spatial understanding.
Steven shares a powerful personal story that captures the essence of this shift. After undergoing an MRI, he converted his scan into a 3D model and reviewed it with his physician. The doctor candidly admitted that he was not particularly confident in reading MRIs, but when presented with the immersive 3D model, comprehension improved immediately . That moment reflects the core mission of Immersivevision Technology: making complex anatomical information intuitive, accessible, and easier to understand.
Traditional medical imaging requires interpretation. Students and physicians are trained to analyze two-dimensional slices and mentally reconstruct depth, orientation, and spatial relationships. That process demands experience. It demands repetition. And for many learners, especially early in their training, it can create uncertainty.
Immersivevision Technology eliminates that translation step.
By converting scans into interactive 3D models, the platform allows learners to explore anatomy directly rather than imagine it. They can rotate structures, isolate systems, zoom in on areas of interest, and observe relationships dynamically. The learning experience becomes exploratory instead of purely analytical.
This change may sound subtle, but its impact is significant. When learners no longer have to spend cognitive energy translating 2D images into 3D understanding, they can focus instead on comprehension, clinical reasoning, and decision-making.
In fields such as surgery, radiology, and emergency medicine, spatial understanding is critical. The ability to visualize anatomical relationships quickly and accurately influences diagnosis, procedural planning, and patient safety. By strengthening spatial comprehension earlier in the learning journey, immersive 3D visualization accelerates the path toward competence.
The conversation goes beyond technology and into learning science. Medical education has traditionally relied on a blend of lectures, textbooks, cadaver labs, and clinical rotations. Each plays a valuable role. Yet each also carries limitations.
Cadaver labs are expensive and finite. Access may be restricted. Static diagrams lack variability. And traditional imaging requires interpretive maturity that novices have not yet developed.
Immersivevision Technology strengthens experiential learning within this ecosystem. It creates a repeatable, scalable environment where students can explore anatomical data multiple times without the constraints of physical resources. Learners can engage in structured exploration guided by instructors while retaining the flexibility to investigate independently.
Active learning consistently produces stronger retention than passive observation. When students manipulate anatomical models rather than simply viewing slides, engagement increases. Curiosity increases. And understanding deepens.
This is where immersive 3D visualization aligns with pedagogy rather than merely serving as a visual upgrade. It transforms anatomy from something students study into something they experience.
Steven’s MRI story illustrates this shift vividly. A physician who openly acknowledged discomfort reading MRIs gained immediate clarity when interacting with a 3D reconstruction . That movement from uncertainty to understanding demonstrates how immersive visualization can influence both learning and clinical confidence.
Confidence, in turn, influences performance. And performance ultimately affects patient outcomes.
Another important theme in the episode centers on learner engagement. Steven observes that today’s students are digital natives. They have grown up with smartphones, instant search results, streaming media, and interactive platforms. Attention spans have changed. Expectations have evolved.
After the pandemic, students returned to classrooms having spent extended periods interacting with screens. Competing with the stimulation of modern digital environments requires more than traditional lecture formats.
Institutions are now asking how to maintain rigor while also increasing engagement.
Immersive 3D visualization provides a compelling response. Rather than sitting passively through static instruction, students interact with anatomy dynamically. They become participants in the learning process.
This shift from passive consumption to active exploration aligns with broader trends in learning and development. Whether in healthcare, aviation, or technical fields, experiential learning consistently strengthens retention and skill acquisition. Immersivevision Technology brings that experiential component directly into medical imaging education.
Despite its promise, adoption has not been automatic. Jeff raises an important point about technology adoption in high-stakes industries. The higher the stakes, the more conservative institutions tend to be.
Medical education is unquestionably high stakes.
Steven speaks candidly about the barriers Immersivevision Technology encounters. Cost is one factor. Advanced visualization tools require investment, and institutions operate within budget constraints.
Another barrier is inertia. If programs believe their current methods are working, even if imperfectly, change can feel unnecessary. Faculty may hesitate to integrate new tools into established curricula.
There is also a natural learning curve. Immersive technology must be thoughtfully integrated. It cannot simply be introduced without training and support. Educators need guidance on how to embed it within course objectives, assessments, and instructional strategies.
The key insight here is that innovation requires structure. Technology without implementation strategy leads to underutilization.
One of the most revealing parts of the conversation centers on Immersivevision Technology’s own learning infrastructure.
Steven explains that early in the company’s growth, they built an internal system to train customers on how to use the platform effectively. He reflects that delaying the adoption of a scalable learning management solution slowed customer access to structured training for nearly two years .
This lesson extends beyond their organization. Transformational tools must be paired with transformational training systems.
As Immersivevision Technology scales globally, Steven recognizes that he cannot personally train every institution. Scaling requires standardized onboarding, accessible training content, and consistent enablement processes. It requires systems that ensure instructors and administrators are fully prepared to integrate the technology into their curricula.
This mirrors challenges faced across extended enterprise training environments. Whether supporting partners, franchisees, or academic institutions, distributed networks require structured learning architecture. Without it, adoption slows. With it, innovation spreads more quickly and consistently.
Looking ahead, Steven emphasizes scale as the next frontier. A large portion of the global market remains unaware of immersive 3D medical visualization at this level. Moving institutions from unaware to aware requires outreach, education, and demonstration of value.
But awareness alone is not enough. As adoption grows, maintaining quality becomes critical. Every new customer must receive the training and support necessary to use the technology effectively.
Scaling is therefore both a business strategy and a learning strategy. It requires alignment between product development, customer education, and instructional infrastructure.
When immersive visualization is paired with structured enablement, institutions gain not just a tool, but a sustainable learning enhancement.
For healthcare educators and institutional leaders, the broader implications of Immersivevision Technology extend beyond anatomy labs. The conversation between Jeff and Steven surfaces a strategic question that applies to any high-stakes training environment: how do we reduce cognitive friction while increasing learner readiness?
Medical education is under pressure. Programs must graduate highly competent clinicians while managing limited time, faculty bandwidth, and physical resources. At the same time, students expect modern, interactive learning environments that match the digital experiences they encounter elsewhere.
Immersive 3D visualization offers a way to address both pressures simultaneously. By strengthening spatial comprehension earlier in the learning journey, institutions may reduce remediation needs later. By providing repeatable digital models, they supplement limited cadaver access without sacrificing anatomical accuracy. By increasing engagement, they improve focus during critical instruction.
But perhaps most importantly, immersive visualization helps standardize exposure. Not every clinical rotation guarantees identical anatomical cases. Digital models like those that Immersivevision Technology can provide consistent reference points that every learner can revisit. That consistency strengthens baseline competence across cohorts.
For decision makers, the takeaway is not simply to adopt new technology. It is to evaluate how immersive tools integrate with curriculum design, assessment strategy, and faculty development. When paired with scalable training systems, immersive 3D visualization becomes more than an enhancement. It becomes a structural improvement to how medical knowledge is delivered and reinforced.
This episode of the Training Impact Podcast highlights a powerful intersection between innovation and learning strategy.
Immersivevision Technology is not merely enhancing imaging. It is reshaping how anatomy is understood, taught, and applied. By converting 2D scans into interactive 3D models, it strengthens comprehension, increases engagement, and supports clinical confidence.
At the same time, the conversation reinforces a broader principle relevant to all learning leaders. Transformative technology must be paired with intentional curriculum integration and scalable training systems. Without structure, innovation stalls. With structure, it accelerates.
For medical institutions, educators, and healthcare leaders, the message is clear. Immersive 3D visualization represents a meaningful step forward in anatomy education. When integrated thoughtfully and supported by robust training infrastructure, it has the potential to elevate both educational outcomes and clinical performance.
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Jeff Walter (00:00)
Hi, I’m Jeff Walter and welcome back to the training and back podcast. My guest today is Stephen King.
U.S. President of Operations for Immersive Vision Technology. Stephen, welcome to the program.
Steven King of Immersivevision Technology (00:12)
All right, thanks for having me.
Jeff Walter (00:14)
So first thing I always like to ask, I always find it interesting the way people end up where they’re at. And they are kind of accidental tourists, I tend to believe. Yeah, a little guided accidental tourists. So how did you end up as president of US operations and what is immersive vision technology and how did you end up as head of US operations?
Steven King of Immersivevision Technology (00:34)
It’s a great question. And I think accidental tourist is spot on to what put me here. So I’ve been in different roles in various levels of operations in different organizations throughout the past 25, 30 years. And the last six years for me has been spent in education technology. And I had
Jeff Walter (00:55)
Mm-hmm.
Steven King of Immersivevision Technology (00:56)
left the organization that I was at and started a consulting company in a very specific space in education technology. And this has to do with virtual dissection tables and healthcare education technology in that platform. And I had been working on consulting with other people and one night something came across a feed either on LinkedIn or YouTube. I’m not really sure where it even came from. And I saw a new piece of equipment out there that
really blew my mind and it was the immersive vision cat of his virtual dissection table. And so then I rabbit hold on that for about an hour or so and couldn’t believe what I was seeing because I had never seen it in the US before. So I spent time on it, reached out to them to see where they were at. Turns out they’re selling in Europe, Asia, India, but not in the US market. So we started consulting about how to open up operations in the US market. And finally got it to a point where we were ready to do that. So here we are.
Jeff Walter (01:43)
you
Steven King of Immersivevision Technology (01:52)
Um, they need somebody to run the show over here in the U S and then they, wanted me to try and give it a go. So that’s what we’re doing.
Jeff Walter (01:54)
you
And so to double back just for the listeners, because it’s a full-size virtual operating digital cadaver, Or does it have to be a cadaver? But it’s a full-size table, giant iPad, as it were.
Steven King of Immersivevision Technology (02:09)
Yeah.
Yeah.
Correct.
Yeah, for lack of a better term, think of it like a seven foot by three foot iPad, right? And it sort of emulates if you were to walk into a cadaver lab where you would see a human cadaver on a table, the size of the table is roughly that same size. It sort of emulates that. But then when you walk up to the table itself, you have different cadavers you could choose from digitally and pull up and then explore on those cadavers as if the human was laying right in front of you.
Jeff Walter (02:49)
And when you say different types, does that represent? So, well, before we get into all that. And so the reason we have these seven foot iPad cadavers is that, you know, who buys these? Is it the hobbyist?
Steven King of Immersivevision Technology (03:04)
Yeah, so it’s a great question.
Right. Yeah. So my mom has one. All my friends have them now. We’re really cool. All the cool kids have them. No, you’re looking at really any institution, any educational institution that’s teaching a healthcare pathway. And what really surprises a lot of people is that you think, this is going to be in all the medical schools and that’s who you target. students who go through and get to med school have already taken anatomy and physiology in their undergrad.
Jeff Walter (03:13)
Over.
Yeah.
Steven King of Immersivevision Technology (03:31)
work that they were doing. So they probably took ANP at a collegiate level, just at the first four years, right? Or they took it at a community college. And now we’re seeing, at the high school level, we’re seeing biomed programs going in, sports medicine programs going in. We’re seeing nursing training going in at the, what we call the secondary level, which is kind of high school. And so now you see in this market, you’ll see about half of these
Jeff Walter (03:46)
Again.
Steven King of Immersivevision Technology (03:59)
Types of tables are purchased from high schools. And then the other half is purchased through what we call higher ed, right? Anything from community college on. And that’s typically who’s using this. And the idea here is that you can have students go up and explore the human cadaver. And when we talked about the different types of cadavers, what I meant, you have male, female. Our particular table has pediatric cadavers and it’s unique. That’s the only one that has that. And then we have a female with a fetus so that you could explore what that looks like as well.
So they can go in and they can explore these models of these humans and completely pull apart layer by layer, system by system, organ by organ, however they want to explore the cadaver and really learn anatomy in a way that if they make a mistake, no big deal, you just hit a back button. If you want to refresh and get a brand new cadaver, you just do that. And so this is really where it’s been playing a role for the past, I would say, 10 years where we’ve been building this up.
Jeff Walter (04:51)
And so, okay, so, you know, usually, like you said, you would think it’d be med school, but you’re actually going more upstream, even into the high schools, depending on the programs they have. Is the purpose of this, or is the primary use case ⁓ just understanding anatomy or does it go beyond under, you know? Right.
Steven King of Immersivevision Technology (05:01)
Yeah.
It goes beyond that.
know, anatomy and physiology together, it’s a very complex thing to understand. And we are layered beings. And so having something three-dimensional to explore on and to be able to go through the cadavers and the bodies in three-dimensional, in a three-dimensional way is very helpful. When you look at spatial relationship, understanding where one structure sits in there, that’s just so difficult. But then being able to then look at radiologic imaging, right? How do I learn how to read an MRI? How do I learn to read a CT?
and then comparing and contrasting that to what I’m seeing in an actual cadaver. So what part of the body am I looking at? So you might have CT training. We have a huge radiologic library for both x-ray CTs, MRI training. And then we have a histology library. So when you want to look at the slides under a microscope of certain structures or cell tissues and things like that.
Jeff Walter (05:55)
Okay.
Mm-hmm.
Steven King of Immersivevision Technology (06:02)
We have a full library around that. And then we have a clinical case library as well that explains like, what is a stroke, right? And then you can go and explore that part of the anatomy, look at what a stroke is. So now you’re learning pathologies and disease state, not just, hey, where’s the femur? Hey, where’s the bicep tendon?
Jeff Walter (06:18)
Okay, so you see you could order up on the cadavers different diseases and different, you know, states of the body as a world.
Steven King of Immersivevision Technology (06:27)
Yeah, the cadavers themselves
are typically going to be, know, generally this is a perfect cadaver and you’re going to learn anatomy and physiology. Then we have different modules on the table that allow you to go and look at different pathologies that are associated with humans and animals, by the way. We also have 10 animals on ours, which makes it unique.
Jeff Walter (06:43)
it takes you to hold down the whole veterinary supply chain as a learning path. Huh, that’s really interesting. you know, I didn’t think about what you said on the radiological stuff like I see in it. Like, that’s really interesting to be able to sit there and go, okay, here’s an MRI of somebody’s brain, let’s say, right?
Steven King of Immersivevision Technology (06:45)
Yep.
Yep.
Jeff Walter (07:07)
you know, or maybe it’s showing, you know, you know, early onset dementia or something like that. But here’s what it looks like in the MRI. This is what you as a future medical professional is going to see. And then actually to go in and see what that looks like. That’s crazy. That’s really crazy. ⁓ That’s so cool.
Steven King of Immersivevision Technology (07:12)
Mm-hmm.
Yeah. that’s the thing. Well, yeah, modern technology, you we’ve had CTs and MRIs
for years, but now we can take a CT or an MRI and reconvert it back to basically looking just like it’s real patient. You convert it to a three-dimensional object again, and then you can explore any pathology or any part of it that way. As long as it’s a good high resolution MRI or CT, and you have a system that will do that, you can look at it from
all a whole bunch of different perspectives. Put it in 3D, look at the front side, look at the backside, look at the top down, bottom up, anything you want to really truly understand the pathology that you might be trying to understand.
Jeff Walter (08:02)
Yeah. You know, and the thing I love about this and, and, and one of reasons I want to about it is it’s, it’s very interesting because there’s a whole set of, uh, tools coming available. This being one for a particular industry. I think I said this before, you know, I think as a learning development industry, you know, just in general, educational industry, we do a really good job on, uh, knowledge acquisition. think we’d do that pretty well.
But skill development is really hard because skill development is all about practice and coaching. And certainly, the health industry has jumped on that. And that’s why there’s cadavers in the first place. So you could develop the skill, right? You can do things before you actually go into a patient. But to now do it digitally, virtually, and then see these pathologies.
Steven King of Immersivevision Technology (08:45)
Yeah.
Jeff Walter (08:54)
And then also see that like, well, and especially I’m just thinking, you know, know, surgeon, right? Like to see that, that other artery is right there underneath it, which you, would imagine historically, you know, and therefore I gotta be really careful with my scalp when I’m down there. Cause it’s a major artery, let’s say. ⁓ Or I could perforate the colon and get sepsis or, you know, something like something.
Steven King of Immersivevision Technology (09:04)
Yes.
Right.
Jeff Walter (09:20)
I would imagine like historically that type of knowledge or skill that would only come from observing a bunch of times and doing a bunch of times on live patients. know, like maybe the one or two cadavers you got to touch when you were in school, because those things are not, you know, a dime a dozen. And then, but it really just, you’re on a job training, right? And then you’re dealing with real people.
Steven King of Immersivevision Technology (09:32)
Yeah, exactly right.
That’s correct.
And every human is different. That’s the thing, right? And so that’s the point of learning at least the foundational knowledge of anatomy and physiology is great. But then once you get to every human where one thing is compared to the other human, it could be completely different. Generally, it will be the same. So we have our bodies are a perfect human body without any pathology is at ease, right? It’s just the qualities.
Jeff Walter (10:14)
⁓
Steven King of Immersivevision Technology (10:15)
That’s where the word disease came from. Because if you have pathology, some place in your body is at dis-ease. It is no longer at ease. And so we have disease or we have pathology and all of us are unique. And so it’s very interesting to be able to have libraries of different clinical pathologies to be able to look at that. At the end of the day, you can do nerve tracing, right? You can look at it, you can…
put a dye in an artery and see where that’s at. And you can look at it three-dimensionally and have a better understanding of what you need to do before you go in surgically so you can do some surgical planning. But there will still probably never be anything to replace practice and the hands-on tactile when you’re doing that type of thing with real cadavers and the real human experience.
Jeff Walter (10:51)
Mm-hmm.
Yeah. And I don’t think of it as replacing. think of it as you might, it is you get to practice a lot more often than you would otherwise. Right. And so why it’s, it’s not a perfect environment, right? Like you said, the tactile, because I’ve seen that in other industries as well, like in the automotive industry on the auto tech side, a lot of very interesting virtual reality type things coming in there.
Steven King of Immersivevision Technology (11:12)
Correct. Correct. And repetition is everything. Yep. Right.
Jeff Walter (11:30)
you know, in different forms. know, but nothing can substitute for the actual tactile feel of everything. But I can try, can, you know, so it’s not a replacement for, but it’s a supplement too. And then when I get that opportunity to actually touch and feel, I’ve elevated my skill level so much higher than my predecessors, you know?
Steven King of Immersivevision Technology (11:45)
Exactly.
Correct. And that’s
exactly what test scores show, is that learning on a virtual cadaver table elevates your test scores and your ability to do better for your next level. And one of the examples that we often talk about is if you look at a cadaver, for example, and let’s say we’re going to go explore the cadaver, a cadaver, by the time you get it, by the way, just it’s treated and preserved, becomes sort of monochromatic. It’s either yellowish or grayish in color.
Jeff Walter (12:25)
Right.
Steven King of Immersivevision Technology (12:25)
So
if you’re looking at an artery, nerve, a vein, or some part of that cadaver, do you know what you’re looking at? Because an artery and a vein will look very similar. They no longer have color in them or anything like that. so do you have the gist of that? So you think about the carotid artery and the jugular. So the carotid artery brings oxygenated blood up to the brain, right? So we can function, we can do everything. The jugular is a vein and that brings deoxygenated blood.
Jeff Walter (12:37)
That’s a good point,
Steven King of Immersivevision Technology (12:52)
back down, right, to be oxygenated into our lungs and then back into our heart. But they’re pretty close together. So which one’s the jugular, which one’s the carotid? And it’s very, it’s very challenging for students to try and look at that. And so if you can study and learn that prior to, right, getting involved with a cadaver, then that helps the learning curve right there.
Jeff Walter (13:12)
Yeah. That’s, that’s really interesting. Yeah. You also, you said something earlier that was really fascinating. You said with a high resolution MRI or, or, or CAT scan or radiological imagery, you can then, generate a virtual cadaver. Right. That would look like, and the thought occurred to me, it’s like, my gosh.
Steven King of Immersivevision Technology (13:25)
Mm-hmm.
Yes.
Jeff Walter (13:35)
What a potential breakthrough for surgeons.
Steven King of Immersivevision Technology (13:39)
Yeah. Yeah. then I. All right. Yeah. Yeah.
Jeff Walter (13:41)
Like, you know, cause we’ve been talking on the educational side, right? Like prepping, you
know, prepping healthcare professionals, doctors, nurses, you know, and then it just dawned on me. I’m like, Oh my gosh, you could do a scan of somebody, flip it around to a virtual cadet. You know, in this case, it wouldn’t be a cadet. It’d be a patient, make, you know, get a full thing of the patient and then go in and do your surgery virtually.
Steven King of Immersivevision Technology (14:07)
Correct. Yeah. And they are using this technology. They are using technologies like this to plan surgeries, do nerve tracing, segment out anything that they want to and prepare because the technology is there. It’s not unique to us. It can be used with any type of a computer for the most part. And if you want to see an example of it, although it’s not real, but Gray’s Anatomy actually has virtual dissection tables in their shows. And you’ll see them standing around it.
Jeff Walter (14:09)
Huh.
Yeah.
⁓
Steven King of Immersivevision Technology (14:35)
acting like they’re preparing to do surgery on somebody. And that’s exactly what you’re talking about. They’ve uploaded a CT or an MRI and then they are acting like they’re going to prepare for it. I’ve been on Setic Ray’s Anatomy where we’ve had to try and come up with, what do you want to look at? And let’s get the heart, let’s get the lungs in here and stuff like that. And then you prepare it so that when the actor goes up and stands in front of the table and moves his finger around, it makes it look like he’s trying to plan some surgical intervention. don’t really, I don’t know if they really know what they’re talking about.
But that’s how doctors would use it in real life or that type of technology.
Jeff Walter (15:07)
No, that’s, yeah, like I just, and then the other thing was, that came to my mind was board level certification, because there’s usually a written test and then an oral exam, which is usually some type of simulation environment, right? And I’m familiar with the American Board of Emergency Medicines and their simulation environments, but you know, it’s, but you know.
Steven King of Immersivevision Technology (15:23)
Yeah. Yep.
Jeff Walter (15:33)
I’d have to imagine on the other medical boards, they have similar type of, you know, they’re simulating the environment, they call them orals, but it’s really a simulated environment. Has this type of technology penetrated into that, you know, that market as well?
Steven King of Immersivevision Technology (15:42)
Mm hmm. Correct. Correct.
Two degree, well, yeah,
so you’ll want to use it as a practicum. And so people can come up to the cadaver and demonstrate their proficiencies in front of the professor. So something like that. Yeah, we’ve seen that.
Jeff Walter (15:58)
Right.
Very interesting. Now, so what’s been some of the challenges in adoption? Because every time there’s a technological breakthrough, there’s the way we’ve always done it, and then there’s always some friction. What’s some of the challenges you have faced and the industry has faced? It doesn’t have to be you or your company personally, but just in general in trying to get this technology because…
Steven King of Immersivevision Technology (16:13)
Yeah. Yeah.
Jeff Walter (16:24)
And if I just preface it with one more thing, what I’ve noticed over my career is the higher the stakes, the more conservative the industry is to adopting new technology because it’s a high stakes game. You know, and certainly this is a high stakes game.
Steven King of Immersivevision Technology (16:39)
Yes.
Yes. So apathy is probably, you know, right up there. And then cost is another thing that we probably fight the most of. And so if someone is having success or they feel like they’re having success with what they’re currently doing, then trying to show them a new way, that’s an uphill battle. However, I will say that today’s students, which are digital natives,
Jeff Walter (16:49)
⁓ huh.
Steven King of Immersivevision Technology (17:12)
that have much, well, not just students, but we as humans since the advent of the smartphone, our attention spans have been cut about in half and it’s been scientifically proven. And so how do you get somebody’s, how do you engage a student? And then coming out of COVID where students were at their screens all day long, where they could be at a screen here, they could have a screen go into their left, a screen go into their right. And now they come back to the classroom and you have to give some sort of phenomenal
Jeff Walter (17:21)
Right.
Steven King of Immersivevision Technology (17:39)
didactic lecture that keeps them equally as engaged as TikTok and YouTube and whatever it might be, that’s really tough. And so now institutions are looking at, what tools can we provide that give these digital natives and people who have a very high expectation of fast results as well? most students in today’s environment have grown up with Google.
Jeff Walter (17:49)
No.
Steven King of Immersivevision Technology (18:06)
or easy access to information or a smartphone. And if they don’t know it, they just look it up and it’s instantaneous. So when you have a cadaver in front of somebody and they’re trying to identify, where is the right femur, for example, and they can’t just touch it and have it tell them that that’s the right femur, that’s a bit of a challenge. And then how do we explore that? What are the bony landmarks? are the origin and insertion points around that? How do I learn that? You wanna have something that…
gives them access very quickly, allows that engages them in the same way that as soon as class is over, they’re back to engaging themselves on a tablet or on a phone or something like that. So it plays right into the hand of that. I don’t, know, apathy used to be a lot worse. know, if I go six years back, people are like, look, I got textbooks, I got models, I’m fine. But as we got through COVID, we start to see less apathy coming in. And now it’s more of, okay, where am gonna find the funding?
Jeff Walter (18:48)
Right.
Steven King of Immersivevision Technology (19:00)
to get a piece of equipment like this. can be anywhere from $50,000 to $100,000, depending on what I’m trying to purchase.
Jeff Walter (19:08)
And we’ve talked about the benefits and all that from a qualitative standpoint, but you said something earlier that was really interesting that I’d to go back to. You had mentioned students that had used this ⁓ scored higher. it’s scored higher on what? Is that a score? ⁓ OK.
Steven King of Immersivevision Technology (19:24)
Mm-hmm.
on their standardized exams that they would typically
take. so there’s been multiple studies that come out looking at different, we’re not the only player in this space, right? So looking at others and even looking at our own where those who use the CATAVIS virtual dissection table versus those who did not, the ones who used it scored higher on their semester exams.
Jeff Walter (19:39)
Right.
Huh. Huh, that ends.
Steven King of Immersivevision Technology (19:54)
Which is
to be as expect, I can tell you right now, it’s a no-brainer when you see the interaction that students have and how they’re able to, it takes students from trying to memorize something that’s very challenging to actually comprehending what they’re seeing.
Jeff Walter (20:07)
Yeah,
well that and I can imagine that, you know, especially on the anatomy or up that line, you know, I can, I could just see them closing their eyes during an exam and going, the femur, right? Yeah, I did this and it was under there. and, and then that’s, oh yeah, that’s, that was, you know, you know, and working their way back through the experience because it’s now, it’s now an experiential thing. And that’s how
Steven King of Immersivevision Technology (20:19)
Yeah, yep.
Jeff Walter (20:34)
I mean, you know, we talk about humans and all our different learning styles, but really the most powerful learning style for all of us is experiential. Right. You know, ⁓ and so that’s really interesting.
Steven King of Immersivevision Technology (20:46)
And just last
week to your point, you know, I had, ⁓ we were participating at a event and we had the table present for everybody to see it. And we had administrators of institutions coming up. so they may or may not have anything to do with healthcare technology or education. And so I would pull up the head and neck and I was showing them just the head and the neck with the cardiovascular structures in place. And I would ask them, do you know where your carotid artery is?
And they didn’t. And then they would kind of guess. And then I say, well, just touch it. And you tell me if you think that’s it. they might touch it, and they might get it wrong. And then they would get it. And then I would say, OK, so what’s this one? Or they would touch the jugular on accent or vice versa. And then they would finally get it. And then I would turn on, we have what we call a blood flow tool. And I would just touch that button. And then you see the blood flow going through those. so we diagram it as red blood.
oxygenated blood going up to the brain and then blue deoxygenated blood coming back down from the brain. And you could tell the difference between what an artery does and a vein does instantaneously. And they could tell the difference between the jugular and the carotid. And they knew the significance of each right, right then and there. And my question always is, if I see you in three weeks, will you remember this? And the answer is always yes, I will because they did it. They experienced, they participated in it.
Jeff Walter (22:03)
Right.
Steven King of Immersivevision Technology (22:08)
It wasn’t just me sitting here lecturing to them and hoping that they remember it at the end of the day.
Jeff Walter (22:13)
Interesting. So at this point, when we start looking at the education flow, how prevalent is this type of ed tech tool in the industry? Not just yours, like if I signed it, like let’s take it, K-12, higher ed, school type thing. If I went to a K-12, is it?
5%, 2%, 8%, 90 % like.
Steven King of Immersivevision Technology (22:41)
On the calculations that I last did going into 2025 and haven’t really looked back on it since then, I’d say anywhere from 18 to 23 % of schools that I would feel qualify would have this type of technology. So, you know, when you look at every high school, you can say, well, gosh, there’s 30,000 high schools in the US and look at the size of that market. Well, that’s not true because not every high school has a healthcare pathway or a bio-med program or something where this is a good fit.
Jeff Walter (22:53)
Right.
Steven King of Immersivevision Technology (23:08)
So you would really narrow that down to maybe three or four out of every 10 high schools that you look at. So your total accessible market has now diminished down to 30, but it’s still quite large. So when you diminish that, and then you also do the same things with colleges, universities, and you say, look, not every college is going to offer some sort of healthcare pathway. Then you take that down to maybe 60 to 70 % of all colleges, universities offering something. And so then again, your total accessible market gets diminished somewhat, but when you
Jeff Walter (23:08)
Right.
Okay.
Right.
Steven King of Immersivevision Technology (23:38)
when you look at it realistically from that perspective, then you’re saying of that diminished market, probably 18 to 23 % of them have something like this in place.
Jeff Walter (23:47)
Okay, so growing but still on the minority side.
Steven King of Immersivevision Technology (23:52)
Yeah, I mean, we look at it and say, look, there’s still 80 % of the market that’s not using this level of technology yet.
Jeff Walter (24:00)
That’s so cool. That’s such a cool thing. Yeah, when we talked earlier, you hadn’t mentioned the taking the scans and flipping it back into the imagery. And I’m like, oh my god, that’s huge.
Steven King of Immersivevision Technology (24:03)
It really is. I get to play all day.
Yeah.
It’s bigger than you think even. So I had an MRI about a year and a half ago. And when I went in, the doctor was looking at it said, I’m really not that good at reading MRIs. number one, I’m glad that he was that honest with me, but I said, well, don’t worry about it. I got us covered. because I had already turned it into a three-dimensional image that we could explore together. And he was just like, oh my God. you know,
He even said, and any doctor that we see is if I would have had this when I was coming through my training, I would have a better comprehension of this and I would have learned it better. I have never had anyone not say that even without a discussion. It’s like it almost automatically just comes right out.
Jeff Walter (24:50)
Right.
Yeah, but I mean, yeah, it seems such an obvious thing.
But yet, so you said that, but yet, well, it costs money and it changes the way you have to do things. You have to incorporate things into your curriculum and you have to, like, it’s not just like, hey, here’s a tool and have fun.
Steven King of Immersivevision Technology (25:21)
Not at all. It has to be adopted into the curriculum. there is really, you know, there’s a little bit of a fear factor there. And when you look at everything that it can do, people will look at this and go, there’s no way I’m going to be able to learn all that, right? There’s no way I can incorporate all that. It’s easy for you to fly through. But then I remind people of my age and what I came into, and I didn’t know anything about this. And I’m self-taught on these things, to be honest with you. And one of the things that I thought was super important on this was, okay, if you’re going to…
Jeff Walter (25:26)
Mm-hmm.
Steven King of Immersivevision Technology (25:50)
get this, if you’re going to invest in something of this level, we need to make sure that you know how to use it. And so we got to the point where we built out our own LMS, not through latitude learning, but I was actually trying to convince my CEO to go with something like latitude learning. Exactly. And by the way, the decision to not use a tool like yours prevented our customers from having access to the training that they did. It got delayed probably two years.
Jeff Walter (25:54)
Yeah.
What?
Steven King of Immersivevision Technology (26:18)
I was fighting and fighting for it. And finally, we built out a system internally that we could share with customers to be able to train on this. And, and that was a bit of a challenge, but once they got it, then all of a sudden they have access to something that they could actually learn from. And that is the most critical part. Technology like this. And it’s just a reflection of anything that you learn when you think about it.
Jeff Walter (26:19)
Mm-hmm.
Steven King of Immersivevision Technology (26:41)
I can come in and I can walk you through everything, but it’s pretty much a didactic lecture at that point. I can get you involved a little bit, but let’s say I come in, someone gets one of this piece of equipment and I come in and I spend a half a day with you training you on how to use, let’s say maybe 10 things on it. Within 30 minutes, the eyes are glazed over. know, I just, are like, oh my gosh. And it’s almost to the point where I don’t even focus on 10 things. I’m going to focus on three things. And one of them is where the power button.
Jeff Walter (26:57)
Right.
Steven King of Immersivevision Technology (27:09)
So now that leaves me maybe two other things I want you to try to retain. Now, if I do this on a Wednesday or Thursday, you know, it’s all’s lost because now we’re into Friday, wrap up the week, I go through the weekend, Monday comes back in, where was that power button again? I don’t remember. So having a system in place where I can then direct you, and I can tell you, you just watch the…
You watch people get so relieved when you say, look, I’m gonna walk you through all this, but we also have this learning platform that you’re be able to go to after this so that you don’t have to memorize everything I have to say. You’ll have these modules you can go through, you can go and they’re just like, thank God. And so I don’t, know, they do, they take notes, but at the same time, they don’t feel that immense pressure that I have to learn everything or it’s out. And…
Jeff Walter (27:46)
I don’t have to take notes. ⁓
Yeah.
Steven King of Immersivevision Technology (27:56)
So having a system in place and having something that after the fact or even before the fact, you can send to people and say, hey, here’s some learning modules for you. Walk through these modules and build them out in a way that it’s triggered step by step. If you get to this level, then you go to the next level, you go to the next one. And you have them in sequential order in which way you want people to learn and gamify it a little bit and give an award. Hey, bing, you got a certificate, whatever it may be. That gets people excited to do that kind of thing. And it makes them feel more comfortable.
And in today’s environment, in the professional world, no matter what it is, we are all going a thousand miles an hour. And so when do I typically step back and learn about this? And I was just listening to somebody talk the other day about how companies are incorporating AI into what they do. And the lack of AI adoption right now, isn’t because people don’t want to do it. They do want to do it, but AI adoption and learning AI has become another to do.
Jeff Walter (28:33)
Mm-hmm.
Steven King of Immersivevision Technology (28:55)
on everybody’s list because although companies are saying, hey, we want to focus on this, we want you to be good at this, they don’t carve out time and they don’t teach people how to actually use the tools that are out there in order to improve efficiencies. So you’re not going to give people the time to be able to use a tool that decreases and improves their time. So it’s this vicious cycle and it’s the same thing here. And so you think about a institution where you have these teachers, they might do some sort of
Jeff Walter (29:16)
Thank
Steven King of Immersivevision Technology (29:21)
offsite learning or something like that, which might be the four hour day that I do with them. But then they go right back to the classroom, right? And their days are pounded and we don’t give enough gratitude to our teachers and our instructors and everybody out there who’s involved with education. They work so hard. And at the end of the day, then they go home to their families and they get to time with the families. And then maybe they’re going to try and spend some time to learn. So how do you do that? Right? And if we can provide them with access to some sort of learning.
Jeff Walter (29:25)
Mm-hmm.
Steven King of Immersivevision Technology (29:51)
platform that they can access on their own, log into, walk through it, then you’ve just done a huge favor to them. And that’s where I say, when I see them relax, when I say, Hey, look, you’re going to have access to this afterwards. Then they know that they can in the evenings, during the weekends, you know, prepare a little bit, then go in. And if you want, have it on your phone, stand in front of the piece of equipment, do that kind of thing. And you know, that, just changes everything. But if you’re not, if you’re not providing that type of
Jeff Walter (29:52)
Mm-hmm.
Steven King of Immersivevision Technology (30:20)
educational tool to either your customers or even people who you have hired within your organization to be able to learn how to talk about this to the world, then I think you’re failing your customers and you’re 100 % failing your own employees.
Jeff Walter (30:35)
So, ⁓ so take me through that a little cause is, is the education you’re putting together geared more towards the user of the device and, know, it’s pretty complicated. is that the type of training you’re doing or, or is it, and, or, you know, is it, ⁓ more on the, you know, helping, ⁓ the instructor bring it into the curriculum, you know, like the, seems like there’s two different things, right? It’s like.
I got to know where the on off button is. Yeah.
Steven King of Immersivevision Technology (31:00)
Okay, yeah, great question. And this is a question we
get all the time is, okay, do you provide me curriculum? And the answer is no, you already have your curriculum. What you don’t have are the tools to teach your curriculum. So most of the education is geared towards how do I use each of these modules that are on this table? How do I use the radiology module? How do I use the gross anatomy? How do I use regional anatomy? How do I use DICOM? And so they will look at those, learn how to use those modules, and then they can incorporate that
Jeff Walter (31:12)
Okay.
Okay.
Steven King of Immersivevision Technology (31:29)
into how they use their own curriculum.
Jeff Walter (31:31)
Okay. So then, so then they, which, which makes sense because you don’t really know what their curriculum is. So it’s a, it’s a one-off to try and sit there and go, how, how well you could kind of identify places like here’s in the curriculum where you’re going to want to make changes, but what those changes are, you know,
Steven King of Immersivevision Technology (31:49)
Well,
right now, if they’re going to teach anatomy and physiology, if you walk into any A &P class, you’re going to see textbooks, you’re going to see skeleton models hanging on the wall, you’re going to see charts of things, you’re going to see models of a head that you can pull the skull apart, look at the brain and pull that apart. These are all the tools they use to teach that curriculum that they have chosen to teach. The cat of his virtual dissection table is another tool to teach that blows every one of those
Jeff Walter (32:00)
Okay.
Steven King of Immersivevision Technology (32:16)
tools that they have out of the water.
Jeff Walter (32:18)
And just for my own knowledge, can you do like assessments or exercise on it? Like, hey, I’d like you to go in and take out the spleen, know, for like stuff like that. then kind of like, and so they can go in and they can go do something, take it out. And then does it do a…
Steven King of Immersivevision Technology (32:25)
Yes. Yep.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Absolutely.
Yeah. ⁓
Jeff Walter (32:42)
assessment of that or would be it. ⁓
Steven King of Immersivevision Technology (32:43)
It does. It does
different types of assessments. So you can do simplified assessments where if I, let’s say I just pulled the skeleton up and I want to know, you know, where the clavicle is. And so the question might be identify left clavicle. And so you touch the left clavicle and it says yes or no, you got it right. Or you can do an assessment where you pick different structures. So we might go muscular, right? And then you say upper or whatever you want. And there’s a ton of them in there for us. And then you pick that and then it’s, it’s a long form question.
Jeff Walter (32:53)
All right.
Steven King of Immersivevision Technology (33:11)
where it says this muscle is responsible for, and then you have to determine what it’s saying it does, and then go over and find that structure and select it. That’s a more thought provoking type of a quiz than, you know, where’s the right femur, you know.
Jeff Walter (33:28)
But, huh.
And so, huh, wow.
But these are not inexpensive, so that each student can’t have one.
Steven King of Immersivevision Technology (33:36)
No, but they can. So we ⁓ have a self-learning system called eCataviz and it’s essentially, it’s an online learning portal for anatomy and physiology based around our contents. It can never be as robust as the table itself because it’s an online platform and you need a giant gaming computer within the table to power everything that we try to get this thing to do.
Jeff Walter (33:36)
I’m not picking up an iPad.
Yeah.
Uh-huh.
Steven King of Immersivevision Technology (34:02)
But we have been able to provide access to two cadavers, a male and a female cadaver. And then we do have DICOM modules and ⁓ different radiology imaging models in there, histology. And so the students can go and explore, read through it as if it’s a textbook in a way, a digital textbook. And then if they want to, they can go to explore cadavers. They can go into different libraries and look at different things. We have a huge clinical library that talks about different pathologies like stroke or
Jeff Walter (34:11)
Hmm.
Right.
Steven King of Immersivevision Technology (34:31)
brain aneurysms and things like that where they can come in and explore those on their own as well.
Jeff Walter (34:35)
So where do you see this going? know, if we shift to, you know, looking like, first of all, it’s really cool. I mean, that’s just really cool stuff. and, and, and, you know, and, and like I said, I’ve, I think the only, the only other industry I’ve seen some where, where they’ve really kind of taken that virtual reality type stuff and simulation.
Steven King of Immersivevision Technology (34:43)
Yeah. It’s a blast.
Mm-hmm.
Jeff Walter (35:03)
as any automotive and they’ve gotten that higher level of quality. And the other thing that’s been really amazing there is they also, you know, they’ve also seen the compression of the amount of time it takes to get a certain level of competency. So you’re smarter and you can get it done quicker. You can get there quicker, which is amazing. You know, so, yeah, and it sounds like with
Steven King of Immersivevision Technology (35:15)
Correct. Correct.
Jeff Walter (35:27)
like say 20 % of the market adopting it and then having these other use cases that it’s working its way. Adoption takes time. You know, it’s not an overnight thing. But so where do you see this type of tech going into the future? I mean, it’s already really cool. Don’t get me wrong. But like, where’s the, what happens next? this AI powered or like, I mean, everything’s AI now. So, right. Yeah. It’s like.
Steven King of Immersivevision Technology (35:52)
Well, I mean,
yes, it definitely could be. I really see, I mean, for me, and I’m a bit of a nerd when it comes to AI. And I spent a lot of time playing with AI and building agents and building workflows and automations and things like that around it. And the things that we can do and the progress that we’ve made, it’s just even in the last, say two months, and then every two months is a whole new world on the AI front.
Jeff Walter (35:53)
It’s the 1990s, everything’s late.
Steven King of Immersivevision Technology (36:19)
I think that there’s ways to build in automations in this that will just really be significant. However, that being said, I would lean into that for people with impaired access. Maybe they visually have some issues or auditorily, or they can’t reach up and use the table like they want. So it becomes a voice interactive thing.
Jeff Walter (36:40)
Mm-hmm.
Steven King of Immersivevision Technology (36:42)
the touching, the practice, the interactive, you don’t want automation in learning this. This is a topic that we want our future healthcare providers to know really well. I don’t want a future healthcare provider again to tell me that, gee, I don’t know how to read an MRI very well. You want somebody who’s gonna practice this.
Jeff Walter (36:49)
Thank
Steven King of Immersivevision Technology (37:04)
not use AI to create an automation or some sort of tutorial video for them to walk through or something like this. You want to be able, you can do that for an instructor’s perspective if it’s going to enhance. But in today’s world and coming out of COVID and a lot of the students right now, they’re in medical school or going down that pathway, we lost that human connection. And the thing about the table that it provides,
is you’re not on, yes, it’s a giant piece. It’s like a giant iPad, right? But you’re standing around it with maybe five other people and you’re diagnosing, you’re having a discussion, you’re learning how to communicate. You have someone being the leader and there’s all these skillsets that go into being a medical practitioner of some type, whatever it’s gonna be that you need to have and you need to know how to communicate, you need to know how to work with others. And so there’s that aspect of it where
you can’t touch with AI and you shouldn’t touch with AI. We might be able to enhance learning and be able to pull things more quickly, right? So, you know, show me the family, show me the bony landmarks on this and something like that. But other than that, I’m not sure how far we want to go with it ⁓ as a learning tool.
Jeff Walter (38:00)
Okay.
Right.
Well, I mean, things that pop into my head, and again, I know nothing about this, what I’ve, like, I would imagine that any type of simulation company that I’ve ever talked to, it’s the creating the simulations hard. And where they’ve been, and they were starting to use AI on the generative side to cut the amount of time and energy takes to create the simulation. And then therefore you can create more simulations.
And so are you using it in that sense to like, here are the top 100 diseases in the world, and so we’re going to get them all in there or like…
Steven King of Immersivevision Technology (38:48)
Yeah. Right.
So that’s where AI plays a role in the creation of, right? Like say, if it’s a workflow and you can automate something or it’s a redundant process, that’s where you can really have some success. But when it comes to then the learning, that’s where we want to be careful with that and use it in the right way. But a simulation also, a simulation should be hands-on to be effective. It’s very difficult for
Jeff Walter (38:53)
Right.
Right.
Right.
Steven King of Immersivevision Technology (39:15)
a mechanic to learn how to replace the timing belt on an engine of a specific type of an engine if they don’t know how to go in and remove those bolts or do something like that. I, I, you know, as an example of that, I like to do a lot of tinkering with mechanics and things like that, but I look at, and you know, the world is full of these great YouTube videos and now you can learn how to do anything. I’ll just change this out or I’ll do this myself. And I do a lot of that just because I think it’s fun.
Jeff Walter (39:28)
Right.
Steven King of Immersivevision Technology (39:45)
But at the end of the day, there’s certain things where I draw a line in the sand, where it’s like, OK, like timing belt. I would never touch a timing belt. There’s no way, because there is experiential knowledge that someone has that will tell them, OK, this has to be removed first, then this and this. And I’ve learned over time that you have to do this or so. And so you don’t want to move away from hands-on learning because you’re
Jeff Walter (39:56)
Right.
Steven King of Immersivevision Technology (40:09)
This is what we need them to be able to do when they get out into the real world and start treating us as patients.
Jeff Walter (40:14)
Yeah, very interesting, very, very interesting. I mean, it just seems like there’s so many different applications, both upstream on the education side and then downstream on the practitioner side and being another tool and not in the medical facility to look at things. And I’m wondering, huh, I’m just also sitting here wondering like.
Do you end up decreasing error rates down, on the surgical side or any type of ⁓ invasive procedure if you’re able to image it, do the reverse image setting and then do a practice run. Do you start getting less medical error rates? Because I know on the auto tech side,
Steven King of Immersivevision Technology (40:54)
Yeah.
Jeff Walter (40:57)
You know, they’re just showing you, yeah, you’re decreasing the amount of errors that you’re making. So I’m like, huh, interesting. That’s weird. Fascinating.
Steven King of Immersivevision Technology (41:06)
mean, everything that you see, if you watch documentaries
where people are some sort of high-end technology like this to plan surgeries or go in and help with the surgeries, then the error rates are gonna be lower. As somebody who, I was talking to a gentleman who worked for a company.
And he was talking about, they had a hip replacement tool and that’s a very popular surgery. I’m so popular, everyone’s out, hey, let me go get it. I mean, it’s done a lot in the US, right? And so everybody, yeah, yeah. everyone’s gotta go do that. a lot of you’ll talk to these orthopedic surgeons, like, I can do that in my sleep or whatever it may be. But there’s also always that chance that,
Jeff Walter (41:21)
you
Huh?
We’re living longer and so, know, parts were out.
Alright.
Steven King of Immersivevision Technology (41:46)
maybe when that stem got put in that it wasn’t the exact right height. So you got one leg a little bit longer than the other or so on and so forth. But, and then also does it match up with that hip socket itself and perfectly. So now they have technology that can go in and it’s scanned. does a CT of your hip socket and does a CT of your, of the top of your femur. And then it recreates them physically. And then, then, then it designs a head based on your existing
physical nature. And so now when you get it, it’s perfect. And so it’s just amazing. That is one where it’s not necessarily a reduction in error because they know how to do hip replacements, but it is a increase and an improvement in how it works for the patient.
Jeff Walter (42:26)
Wow.
like a qualitative improvement in outcomes. You know, like, huh. So they’re doing that, that’s all digital through the imagery. Kind of synonymous to the doctor taking, the dentist taking a mold of your teeth when they do a crown. Right? So that, you know, so they’re not guessing.
Steven King of Immersivevision Technology (42:38)
Yeah, an improvement outcome, see your point. Yep.
Exactly. Exactly right. And now they don’t,
and by the way, they don’t have to do this anymore with moles that you can take. They take scanners and they put that in there. Right. And this is. Yeah. Dent and they can do it like, say we’ll do it same day. That’s because they can literally go in, scan your mouth, get a perfect recreation of that. And then they have these Zurich machines that can actually mill a tooth for you. That is the perfect fit. And then put a new crown on same day.
Jeff Walter (43:02)
Oh, that’s right. I just had a crowd. Yeah, they didn’t do them all. just, yeah.
Steven King of Immersivevision Technology (43:22)
And that used to be something that had to get sent to a lab. A lab would take that clay impression that you have and try and fit it perfectly. But now it’s different. Dentists have been ahead of the game on using this type of technology for years.
Jeff Walter (43:29)
Right.
Yeah, interesting. So on the hip replacement now, can do that through, you know, harder to get that type of, you know, teeth, the scanner is right there. But, huh, that’s fascinating. It’s cool stuff. It’s very cool stuff. Yeah. You know, so what’s next for you? What’s next for you? Personally. ⁓
Steven King of Immersivevision Technology (43:43)
Yep.
This is so much cool stuff out there and more is coming.
Well,
mean, personally, you know, I don’t have a lot of personal anymore. You know, we’re, growing a company and we’re trying to get the world from unaware to aware and everything that we’re doing. And it’s a big world. Like we said, 80 % of the world out there doesn’t even know about us. So this takes up a lot of my time. There’s significant travel that I have to do and things like that. And ultimately I’d love to get back out on the golf course a little bit more. live in Southern California, so we do get to have good weather compared to what the rest of the world is dealing with.
Jeff Walter (44:06)
Uh-huh.
Steven King of Immersivevision Technology (44:22)
And so I’m trying to take advantage of that as much as I can. But yeah, I take a lot of joy in watching people just have fun with this type of technology and this type of equipment. And it’s actually a rewarding type of a sale when you’re trying to sell something like this to a school and you see the instructors light up, you see the students light up, and you know that you just changed. You just had an impact on how that student’s gonna learn going forward.
Jeff Walter (44:30)
Mm-hmm.
Steven King of Immersivevision Technology (44:49)
And it’s a great feeling.
Jeff Walter (44:52)
Yeah, well, I mean, I think the best thing happens when you can do exactly what you’re doing and you’re paying it forward. And, uh, you know, it’s, a, it’s a win, win, win, right? It’s like, we’re doing business, we’re making some money so we can pay the mortgage and we’re making life better, not just for the students, but then the eventual patients downstream. Like, it’s just like, it’s a beautiful thing. It’s a beautiful thing. Um,
Steven King of Immersivevision Technology (44:59)
Yeah, exactly. Yeah.
Yes, exactly.
Yep. And our focus will
be on scale. Like how do we scale this? And then this is again, this is coming back to like something like latitude and learning. I can’t go around and train everybody like we’re going to want to do as we continue to grow the business. And so we either scale in personnel, which we were doing, but then we have to scale in a system that can effectively train our customers. And as we hire new people, things have to be in place to be able to do that. And I think that’s probably the next frontier for us is how do we.
What does that process look like for scaling at a high level? And how do we make sure everyone’s 100 % prepared?
Jeff Walter (45:54)
Excellent. And before we look at it, we’re coming up on time and just before we go, is there anything else you want to share with the audience
Steven King of Immersivevision Technology (46:03)
Yeah, I would just say if you guys are interested in seeing the technology, just go to ImmersiveLabs.com. Labs is spelled with a Z though, so it’s I-M-M-E-R-S-I-V-L-I-B-Z.com. And you can see what that stuff looks like. You’ll be able to see the tables. There’s probably some videos you can watch. And it’s pretty cool.
Jeff Walter (46:21)
Well, Stephen, thank you so much for taking time out of your day. I know you’re running 100 miles an hour there and you’re doing great work. It’s a great piece of technology. It’s so interesting and so cool. And thanks for taking time out your day to stop down, stop here and talk about some very new tech, ed tech that’s really cool and really making a difference. So appreciate your time. And to everyone out there, thanks for listening and we’ll catch you next time. Take care.
Steven King of Immersivevision Technology (46:29)
Thank you.
Absolutely. Thanks for having me.